When Resentment Takes Root

Greg Miller

I think what's true is for a lot of couples, sexuality is complicated because they came in with certain expectations or core beliefs. One of the ones that we work with the men about is many men have this belief that once I'm married, my wife will always be available and interested in sex, and then there can be this level of resentment when they hear no.

Greg Miller

And that sense of entitlement will I deserve. And for a lot of men, they use this resentment as an opportunity to act out. Well, if she's not available to me, then it makes sense. I deserve to be able to act out because I have my sexual needs. And again, that's that place where the husband comes into the marriage with unrealistic expectations and understanding of sexuality, of intimacy, and they use that or misconstrue that to give themselves permission to do something outside of the marriage.

Randy Evert

Welcome to the Faithful and true podcast I am Randy Evert your co-host. And today we need to feature a podcast. Doctor Greg Miller, our usual podcast host, and his special guest, the the director of Faithful and True Debbie Laaser. Debbie and Greg will be discussing resentment, and you're sure to find this to be very helpful, educational and informative. So here for you now to discuss resentment is Debbie Laasar and Greg Miller.

Greg Miller

And welcome to our podcast. Today we have Deb Laasar, the co-founder of Faithful and True and also the current director of Faithful and True. And today we're going to be talking about resentment. And we thought that it could be a helpful topic because one of the things that we hear from both the men and the women, that this can be something that is a part of their lives, you know, there's this old joke that any recovery meeting you just needed some addicts, some coffee and resentment, and you could have a meeting.

Greg Miller

And so what we do know is that resentment can be an easy place for us to go to on the transformational journey, and it's helpful to understand it, and it's also helpful to get out of it. And so just let's start, Deb, with how you see resentment showing up in your clients. And you know what? What can be some of the factors that might contribute to that.

Greg Miller

Well.

Debbie Laaser

I might start with noticing how much of it I had before recovery. And I think it wasn't anything I focused on, but it was definitely a part of my life that didn't feel good. And, you know, when I talked to women about moving towards their well-being or we could call it healing, I guess, from betrayal, but really it's about how to live well.

Debbie Laaser

And I think when we have a lot of resentment in our life, it's hard for anybody to live well of what we are going through or whether it's traumatic or not traumatic. And so to be able to identify that as just anger, kind of ongoing anger, frustration, and I would say just very simply and succinctly, that it's about unexpressed needs or loss or hurt that we're experiencing and we can do something about it.

Debbie Laaser

And what I love about my own story is knowing how how I lived with a lot of that because I wasn't good at asking for my needs or no knowing at times, probably even what they were. You know, we tend to get angry or resentful when they're not being taken care of, but we don't always think about what they are, right?

Debbie Laaser

And so learning how to do that, I would say today it's it's not a all or nothing, but it's certainly a 99%. It's not even an emotion I feel. Right. Which is like a wonderful thing in terms of just declaring how nice that is and leads to my own peace and joy to not carry that emotion.

Greg Miller

Yeah. And you know, what's true is we can have feelings about feelings. And so for some people, they may have shame about their resentment, or they may have resentment about their resentment. But the reality is kind of like what you're saying is the resentment can simply be a messenger from our soul about something that is unhealed, unprocessed and in need that we have.

Greg Miller

And when I'm talking to the men, I typically describe resentment as a combination of unprocessed grief, unprocessed anger, and some aspect of entitlement. That there's something in this that I felt like I was owed or I deserved, or something that was coming my way, or I got something that I didn't expect. And part of. I think healing the resentment is to try to get in there and see maybe if there is a core belief that is getting triggered around this, of this, I didn't deserve this or I deserve something else.

Greg Miller

And one of the examples I use is if someone has a core belief that life is supposed to be fair, and then they encounter something that is unfair, they perceive as unfair, then that can be that that core belief that can lead to resentment, that I didn't deserve this or I deserve this other thing. And so part of it is even getting clearer what might be some of the core beliefs that I bring into this that could lead to that sense of entitlement?

Debbie Laaser

You know, I think one of the core beliefs of married couples, anyway, is that you should know me well enough that I don't need to have to ask for what I need. You should notice I'm overwhelmed. You should notice I need help. You should notice I'm hurting and and take care of that for me. And I think as as adults and as wise adults and emotionally mature adults, we want to try to let go of that belief that somebody else should be able to just read us that, well, even if we have lived with them for a long time.

Greg Miller

Yeah, I think that's a great example.

Debbie Laaser

You know, I think I might have shared this in a podcast, but I love it so much I never get it. But when I drive through Wisconsin to see my mom in Chicago, they have these little blurbs up there on the highway, you know, to tell you something about your driving. And the one I love says the saying goes until we can read each other's minds.

Debbie Laaser

Use your blinkers. I love that.

Greg Miller

Yeah, that is a great example of communicating what is going on.

Debbie Laaser

Like we can't read each other's minds. So use your blinkers, tell people what you need. And I think that's a huge part of reducing the resentment and anger that.

Greg Miller

We carry. You know, I think another one in couple ship is something like marriage is supposed to be easy if fill in the blank if you love each other, if you're both Christians, if you're committed. And what we know is marriage isn't easy because it is complicated, involves two people with different needs, different expectations. And so for some couples, there can be resentment simply because marriage got difficult and hard.

Greg Miller

Even apart from the betrayal. And we're not talking about something like an expectation where it is a legitimate expectation that our spouse will be faithful to us, that is the commitment that we make. But we are talking about some of those other, more subtle core beliefs that can show up in our marriage. One of the ones that we talk about is this idea that if I do everything right, then fill in the blank, my marriage would be easy or my husband would be faithful.

Greg Miller

And so then when that isn't realized, then that can start to show up in our resentment.

Debbie Laaser

I wonder if it would be helpful to our listeners just to talk about some of the common everyday resentments we hear from our clients, you know, and it'd be interesting. I'll be interested to hear what your male clients are saying. And maybe you're interested in hearing my female ones, but some of them are as simple as you know, he gets to go to work and come home whenever he wants, and I have to be here all day long taking care of the kids.

Debbie Laaser

And I never get a break. And like, he gets to go out for lunch and I don't. And you know, so there's that unfairness thing like, he he has this lovely life and I'm, I'm here at home and I never get to experience anything fun in.

Greg Miller

My day. What's interesting is and I think the, the male version of this can be I work all day, I do all this stuff, I come home and then I have to fill in the blank work again, take care of the kids, you know, all that kind of stuff. And what's true is there can be cultural messages. We work with a lot of couples where both the husband and the wife work outside the home.

Greg Miller

And so what can be true for certain men is they do believe that it's their wife's responsibility to feed them in, clothe them, and take care of the kids, even though they've been at work all day. And so that is a great place where resentment can build, where the husband resents the wife for asking for help, and the wife resents the fact that the husband isn't more engaged and volunteering and seen as a partner in it, versus someone that she has to serve in that way.

Greg Miller

Yeah.

Debbie Laaser

It's interesting because, again, the needs aren't always that huge. It's just we don't talk about. Right. And so whether it's cultural stuff or just what we learned in our own families about how you do your roles as husband and wife, we bring these expectations to our relationships and we don't talk about them. So I think one of the things I hope our listeners are hearing today is that one of the easiest ways to start moving through an eliminating this emotion from your life is simply figuring out what you need, right?

Debbie Laaser

So another thing I would say is that oftentimes I can tell what a wife needs by how she's complaining about what her husband gets to do, right? Or not. You know? Well, every day he gets to start by going to the club and working out. I mean, isn't that lovely? And I sure wish I could find ten minutes to work out someday.

Debbie Laaser

And so we, you know, we talk about if that's an important value to you, then could you talk about it at some point in your relationship and or figure out together how you might make the time for that to happen? Might be you even have to hire a sitter for a few hours so you can get away. Right.

Debbie Laaser

Or maybe he can go to work later or whatever the situation is. There is a solution. And so I think that victimized place would say, oh, I'm never going to be able to do that. And we give up and we just assume that we can't do anything about it. But figuring out how we get our legitimate needs met is one of the main ways that we can live in a much better place ourselves as a human being.

Greg Miller

I think what's true is for a lot of couples, sexuality is complicated because they came in with certain expectations or core beliefs. One of the ones that we work with the men about is many men have this belief that once I'm married, my wife will always be available and interested in sex, and then there can be this level of resentment when they hear no and that sense of entitlement will I deserve.

Greg Miller

And for a lot of men, they use this resentment as an opportunity to act out. Well, if she's not available to me, then it makes sense. I deserve to be able to act out because I have my sexual needs. And again, that's that place where the husband comes into the marriage with unrealistic expectations and understanding of sexuality, of intimacy, and they use that or misconstrue that to give themselves permission to do something outside of the marriage.

Greg Miller

And again, the the wiser we are, the more that we can identify. Oh, these are false core beliefs or these are just not true. The more I can understand that, the less likely they are to lead to resentment.

Debbie Laaser

And I think you're right, Greg, that in our culture, for instance, it's even assumed that the man would be the one that would want sexuality more than a wife. And actually in research that isn't proven to be true. And so and we find that in our couples that we work with here to probably 25 to 30% is a reverse.

Debbie Laaser

You know, the women feel like they're not getting their needs met sexually, and there's more of an anorexia in their husbands. And so again, though, maybe there are core beliefs like I'm too much or I shouldn't have these kind of feelings because everybody out there talks about how men have these desires, but women shouldn't. A lot of core beliefs that need to be talked about, because I know when I'm working with women, they're absolutely surprised when I tell them some of the statistics about what we know is true and that it's not just a gender thing.

Debbie Laaser

Right? So a lot of things to talk about. I guess that's what we're seeing here and a lot of what recovery is. Let's talk about these hard things.

Greg Miller

Yeah. Well and in the area of sexuality, kind of like what we said about marriage, there can be a core belief that if I love my spouse and my spouse loves me, then sex should just be natural. It should just flow. Maybe even there shouldn't have to be a lot of conversation that if you talk about sex, it diminishes the intimacy versus what is true is if we're able to talk about sex, it enhances the intimacy.

Greg Miller

And so for many couples, because there are challenges in sexuality, there can be this resentment because it's not supposed to be like this. It's just supposed to come naturally. And so again, for the person who's struggling with resentment, a great question to ask yourself is, is there a core belief? Is there some sort of belief that leads to entitlement that is helping to fuel this resentment that I'm feeling?

Debbie Laaser

I can remember early on, one of my greatest resentments is that Mark and I often didn't go to bed at the same time. And it was it was just something I had known my parents did. So I kind of brought it out of my own family of origin system that that was a wonderful thing. I mean, they always did, and I don't know how they decided that or they talked about it or it just happened, but I thought it was a lovely thing.

Debbie Laaser

And so when that didn't happen in my marriage, of course I didn't talk about it because my core belief is, if you really wanted to be with me, he would come to bed right now. We would have some nice time to talk or read or add in my mind all he wanted was sex. That was the only time he would come to bed with me.

Debbie Laaser

And so my core beliefs were really kind of skewed, and I didn't. I didn't talk about him. I didn't try to figure them out with Mark or even on my own. I just lived with the emotion, which was very painful for a number of years, actually, until we got in recovery and we could talk about what was what was going on for me and what my desire was.

Greg Miller

And, you know, one of the places that I struggled with resentment had to do with the professional environment. Not here, but there was a season in my life where I thought I was a hard worker. I thought I was doing things well, and it just so happened that my boss rarely, rarely affirmed. And what was true is it wasn't just me.

Greg Miller

He really didn't affirm anyone. And there was a resentment because I had this expectation that bosses were supposed to appreciate me and that they were supposed to affirm me when I did a good job. And here's what's true good bosses do affirm. But in the absence of affirmation, instead of really understanding that I let that just lead to this resentment, because I had grief about the fact that I wasn't being affirmed, and I was angry about the fact that he wasn't affirming me.

Greg Miller

And then I had this entitlement of he's supposed to affirm me, I deserve to be affirmed. And that was like the perfect cocktail for this resentment to show up. And just like, you know, we're talking about with spouses, I didn't have the capacity or the language or the understanding either to process it with the boss, which may or may not have been possible, but at least to acknowledge it to myself and to my safe community.

Greg Miller

And so one of the ways that we are able to begin to get free of the resentment is to at least acknowledge it to ourselves that it exists, get curious about it, and then whatever we're discovering, if possible, share it with the person to whom the resentment is directed. But if that's not possible, we do share it with our safe community.

Debbie Laaser

I think what can be true, too, if people want to dive a little deeper into their resentments, is to figure out what what of the seven desires they're really longing for when this emotion comes up. So when I think about your situation with your boss, what do you think were the the one or more deeper desires of your heart in that situation?

Greg Miller

The most obvious one was to be affirmed that I wanted him to see what I was doing and affirm the good work I was doing, but I also think that there was being heard and understood component, that I wanted him to really know me and know the effort I was putting out, and to to really understand me and my motivation for what I was doing.

Greg Miller

But I think another one was to be safe. You know, growing up, I didn't feel this great sense of connection in a variety of different places. And one of the things that helped me feel connected was if somebody was affirming me. So if a teacher gave me a good grade and affirmed me, that created a sense of safety.

Greg Miller

If my parents noticed something and affirmed me, so what was true and not in a healthy way, I used affirmation as a way to measure my safety. And so when I didn't get a firm by this boss, it felt very unsafe because I was doing everything I could to be noticed, to be a firm, to be safe, and I wasn't getting anything back.

Greg Miller

And so in that particular case, I think safety was one of the things I was looking for, even if I wasn't looking for it in the healthiest way.

Debbie Laaser

Yeah. Well, we often talk about the anti formation is criticism. Right. And so that makes sense. If you have enough affirmation then maybe at least there won't be criticism. Because if there's too much of that you might be booted you know. So that makes a lot of sense that safety could be a part of that.

Greg Miller

Yeah. And I think also, you know, the seven desires are so universal. But there was something about wanting to be included. You know, that when the boss affirms you, you're kind of included in the decisions in the direction that the company is going or, you know, you're included in kind of an inner circle. And given my story and so much exclusion that I felt that sense of inclusion was important to.

Greg Miller

And what is true kind of what we're discovering is the more desires that are involved, the stronger our reactions are going to be. And so it makes sense as I evaluated it and looked at it and why the fact that I wasn't being affirmed resulted in this stronger reaction. And, you know, we often say if you were having $100 reaction to a $10 issue, you got to figure out what the other $190 is about.

Greg Miller

And so I needed to get in there, figure out, yes, some of this is about this boss, this job. And a lot of that has to do with historic things that are getting triggered in this current circumstance. Yeah.

Debbie Laaser

I just thought of another resentment that I hear a lot from wives. You want to hear it? Sure. This one has to do with parenting and that typically for wives who maybe are home or at least at home more than their spouse, and it doesn't even have to be with being at home. It may be the fact that they feel that they are the primary rule setting spouse, and they have to make sure kids are safe and brushing their teeth and wearing the right warm clothes in the winter.

Debbie Laaser

And they have to do all of that right, because their husbands basically get in all the fun with the kids, right? I hear that a fair amount. Yeah. And so I get to be the bad mom because I'm setting the boundaries and I have to do the punishment and all of that, and he gets to have all the fun with them.

Debbie Laaser

And when I think about it. There are a lot of deeper desires there also. You know, the resentment comes out and I think there is a desire to to long for being affirmed, for being a fun person also, or being helped so that you don't always have to be the person who is setting the boundaries or creating the punishment or whatever it is that's going on that that feels negative, right?

Debbie Laaser

And so I'm just wondering, does that sound like something that, you know, that the men ever talk about?

Greg Miller

You know, what is true is kind of the vision is co-parenting. And so if in either situation, if one of the parents feel like they are predominantly responsible for something in the parenting, then that can lead to resentment. And, you know, sometimes what can happen is in the reverse of that, it can be the mom who's been with the kids all day.

Greg Miller

Dad walks in the door and she's ready to tap out. And now the dad is responsible for from when I get home until bedtime. And, you know, it could be a division of duties. You know, mom goes in and helps get the dinner ready, but I think that there can be resentment if the idea is okay. You know, whatever our commitments are during the day, whatever they may be, when we are together, we share responsibility and parenting.

Greg Miller

And so it's not just dumped either in the mom's lap or the dad's lap, but they are talking about what it looks like, how do we do this together? And so I do think there is a version of that. And it could be a misunderstanding or an unrealistic expectation, because I do think that some men feel like when they get home that, you know, they should get a break because they've been gone all day or whatever it may be.

Greg Miller

So there is a realistic amount of investment when I get home with my kids. One of the things that we talk about is recognizing where parents need to have a conversation about what does it look like when one of us gets home, you know, if the mom's been gone, if the dad's been gone and they get home, is there a break time?

Greg Miller

Can you give me 30 minutes just to adjust and then show back up? Or for the mom to say, listen, I've been with him all day. Give me 30 minutes, you take him and then I'll come back and we can tag team. Yeah, but there are solutions. There are ways to navigate this if the couple is willing to talk about it.

Greg Miller

And again, like you, you begin with the resentment is telling me something about a need. And if I can get clear about that need and I'm in the safe context of a relationship, then we can talk about what that need is.

Debbie Laaser

Yeah, I was just thinking, you know, there are a number of the seven desires that I think this taps into. One is about wanting to be included. Like you say, co-parenting is including each other. And I think another one might be about wanting to be chosen. You know, we don't want to. Nobody's going to choose a parent who is always kind of being the harsh one or the boundary setting one or whatever.

Debbie Laaser

I mean, we love being with a fun one, and the one that Bijar presents and let you stay up too late and throws popcorn in the air and catches it in your mouth and doesn't care if you're going to choke on it. You know all that. And all of us love to be chosen for our fun side. And so I think there's part of that in there, too.

Debbie Laaser

And and yet there's also the safety. We want our children to be safe. And if someone else isn't participating in that, then we kind of over function to make sure that happens. So a lot of the desires also get tapped into in this resentment.

Greg Miller

Right? Well, you know, one of the things I do hear the men talk about is when the mom assumes that they know what is best for the kids, either because they're moms or because they do spend more time with them. And so the dad can feel like he doesn't have a voice, that he may want to do something fun, or he may want to come, you know, create a boundary.

Greg Miller

And so, again, there can be resentment when my expectation was I would be included. And even if I don't spend as much time with them, or even though I'm not the mom, I can still have a voice. I know for some women that I've heard, the idea is they don't want their husbands to be passive when it comes to parenting.

Greg Miller

So a mom will say he's really good. If I ask him to do something, he will do it. And the you know, the dad will say, oh, she's got to do is ask and I'll do it. But maybe what the mom is looking for is that active participant that sees the need, sees that the teeth need to be brushed, see that it's bedtime and becomes the one saying, hey, it's time to go to bed.

Greg Miller

But not being passive in that, but being an active, engaged parent. And so that's another place where if I see and I perceive that my spouse is either limiting my participation or is passive in their participation, that can create that resentment.

Debbie Laaser

That kind of is a great segue to, I think, another whole area of resentments and couple ships, which is initiation. You know, I have to do all the initiating or we would never talk about this. Or if I don't initiate and ask him if he's been to his counseling or he has an appointment with someone, he'll never do it.

Debbie Laaser

You know, all that kind of resentment sort of thing because someone feels like they have to start it off. Right. And I think that is one of the things about working on getting well here is also figuring out whether we're doing enough initiating and also allowing someone else to initiate at times. So who is doing all of that?

Debbie Laaser

And because it does create a lot of resentment.

Greg Miller

Well, in some couples that I've worked with, one of the dynamics was a frustration, resentment that a wife might have because from her perception, you know, if it's something that the husband wants to do, he's got tons of initiative. You know, if he wants to watch the game or if he wants to go hunting or if he wants to go fishing, man, he can make that happen.

Greg Miller

But some of the other maybe mundane tasks that need to get done around the house, there doesn't seem to be much initiation there. And so sometimes what is very hurtful and creates chaos is when there's limited initiation and whatever activation there is, is it brought into the context of the home in the family?

Debbie Laaser

Yeah, yeah. I find that, you know, with our lives these days, and this is kind of a broad statement, I guess, which may or may not be true, but we don't have a lot of margins in our lives, time, money often. And I think when that happens, it requires us to even be able to talk more about our needs.

Debbie Laaser

Right. And so we tend to even get in worse place with places with our anger and resentment, just because of the way life is right now. And we're all, as you said, we're often working with families where both adults are working full time, and we're having to navigate how the kids are taken care of when we're not there.

Debbie Laaser

And there may be a pressure for the budget and all those kind of things that make it very difficult to state our needs, because everyone's kind of tired all the time and burnt out and overwhelmed.

Greg Miller

Well, I had this conversation a lot with people. Most of us build our lives and they are dependent upon everything going well. It's kind of like you said, we we build to the margins. There's no additional space. And so every space is filled. And so if something isn't working, if a child gets sick, if the car breaks down, if there's an unexpected expense, it just sends the whole family system into chaos because there's no cushion, there's no margin.

Greg Miller

And the more that we are living in that space, the more we are less likely to talk about our needs. But the more important it is for us to talk about our needs. The great irony there. Yes. And so one of the things that I think is helpful is if we can begin to create lives intuitively, creating some margin so that when something comes up that child does get sick or you know, somebody needs to miss work or that unexpected bill comes, we don't just collapse, that we have the space to be able to navigate that.

Debbie Laaser

That's the great thing about having margins is in and of itself, it helps us with not being so desperate to have all of our needs met all of the time. And so I hope our listeners hear us that this is something you can take care of individually. You don't have to do this in a partnership. You can get better at stating your needs, knowing what they are asking for them, if they can't be met by a spouse or family member, figuring out how else you can get a need met.

Debbie Laaser

Like I was saying, sometimes it is about hiring some extra folks or hands to get some things done, and sometimes if you can't do that, it's about taking a look at what it means to surrender a need and to be okay with things not being fair for a time, or not getting exactly what you need. Can you be okay with living in that space around some things, knowing that we won't all get our needs met all of the time?

Debbie Laaser

But I would say a great self-assessment is asking yourself, how much of this emotion do I feel all the time? And if it's a lot, I think you have some work to do. You know yourself to try to figure out how to make that better.

Greg Miller

Yeah. You know, one of the things that I talk about with resentment is resentment is a way that we leak our emotions. And typically resentment means, in my opinion, we're leaking our anger and we're leaking our grief. And whenever we're leaking an emotion, it's really not expressing it. So we're not moving towards it and moving through it and moving beyond it.

Greg Miller

We're just stuck in it. And for someone who says, well, I keep my resentment to myself, that probably isn't true. You know, we we do show up with an edge. We have less patience. Our words might be more biting. There might be more intensity in what we say than intended because we are leaking anger. Or maybe we are easily or more easily hurt, or we are more likely to withdraw and we feel more wounded because we're leaking our grief.

Greg Miller

And so part of I think the process is if I have resentment to get clear, then what am I angry about and find healthy, safe ways to express the anger? And if I have resentment, what am I grieving? What loss is this connecting to? And if you listen to podcasts, you've heard me say this, but you know, I was introduced to this idea that anytime there's loss, there's grief.

Greg Miller

And the greater the grief, the greater the loss. So if I'm grieving something, I have lost something. Maybe I did lose a hope or a dream or an ideal. And if I don't acknowledge that there's been a loss, then that grief will continue to leak.

Debbie Laaser

Well, explore your own life, I guess, is what we're encouraging you to do, and know that it can be a whole lot better. I mean, honestly, you can live pretty well without this, you know, controlling your life on a daily basis so that you have a softer heart and you have a lighter mood to the days and you know, you can enjoy life more, I think have a lot more peace.

Greg Miller

So one of the things I would say in conclusion is for those of you who do have resentment, my encouragement is that you find a safe space to take it. Maybe you take it to your community, or maybe you take it to your therapist, your counselor. I mean, if you are married and you feel like the two of you all could have a conversation about it and that could be safe, then you could try that.

Greg Miller

Or if you're seeing a marriage counselor, maybe you bring this topic of resentment to one of your sessions, but holding it is never going to serve us. And so our wise community, our safe community, can begin to help us process it so that we can get free. And ultimately, kind of like what you're saying, Deb, we do not have to live with our resentment if we can understand what we are grieving, if we can understand what we're angry about, and we can get clear about that sense of entitlement and get clearer about the need, then we can find our way forward.

Debbie Laaser

So it requires action. And it not just sitting on her couch waiting for a grand solution, right?

Greg Miller

Or for our spouse to do something different.

Debbie Laaser

That's right.

Greg Miller

Well, for those of you who have joined us, we are so thankful for your commitment to faithful and true. If you are new to faithful and true, we encourage you to go to Faithful and True. There you can see all of the resources that are available, whether it's our workshops or it's the other things that we provide the bookstore, and we want to be able to support you if there's a way that we can do that.

Greg Miller

So thanks for listening to our podcast.

Randy Evert

Thank you for joining us today on the Faithful and True podcast. We hope you enjoyed the conversation between Greg Miller and Debbie Lazar as they discussed resentment, and hopefully their discussion and their insight will help you reach a further understanding about this topic. In the meantime, we invite you to visit our website, Faithful and True, or you'll find lots of useful resources, as well as the online information and online registration for our three day intensive workshops.

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